August 18, 2020

We Need to Talk About Nas

 

This coming Friday marks the release of the twelfth solo full-length from Nasir “Nas” Jones, the ridiculously-titled King’s Disease. An album-length collaboration with the producer-slash-rapper Chauncey “Hit-Boy” Hollis, King’s Disease is Nasir’s latest attempt at trying to branch out both his sound and his audience while continuing to ignore the cries and pleas of his longtime fans. Indeed, while I am all for the concept of an artist growing and evolving, never becoming complacent or stagnant, I agree that Nas is quite skilled at hearing what his fans actually want from him and not just subverting those expectations, but blatantly dragging them along with the flimsiest thread of hope, as though he truly believes that his day ones would never abandon their rhyming hero, regardless of the distractions he throws in their path.

To wit: many many many moons ago Nas promised a full-length collaboration with DJ Premier, the legendary boom bap producer behind some of the best songs from his first few albums. Putting aside the fact that such a project would never come close to sounding good today (as it couldn’t ever reach the lofty expectations that many of you two have likely set after reading the first sentence in this paragraph), it doesn’t even seem like Nasir fucks with Preemo like that anymore, so that dream has been deferred. Hip hop heads also want Nas to work with producers he’s had a good track record with, names such as Large Professor, Pete Rock, Salaam Remi, Q-Tip, and the like (essentially trying to get the Illmatic gang back together for one last score, save for Remi, of course), but he shows almost zero interest in doing so, which I both understand and am baffled by, since hearing that Nas is working with, say, Pete Rock guarantees immediate interest in whatever project those two are working on. Instead, Nas’s most recent Pete Rock collaborations were thrown away on the horrifically shitty compilation The Lost Tapes 2, drops of water flicked toward thirsty heads dying of nostalgia, and as for the rest, welp, Nas has no desire to revisit Illmatic, even though his debut remains the main reason he’s held in such high regard to this day. (Had It Was Written been his debut, I strongly doubt Nasir Jones would have received as much critical acclaim as he has, and that isn’t a knock on It Was Written, even though you’re right to be wary that it could be.)

Again, I get it: nobody wants to keep doing the same shit over and over again, but what he’s presented as an alternative has left me scratching my head, and yours too, and again, sorry about scratching your head like that. At one point he threatened the culture with a collaborative project alongside Swizz Beatz, which likely stirred up just as much interest amongst his diehards as the proposed Preemo pitch, as it currently sits locked away on a hard drive with no scheduled release date. Allegedly The RZA had something going with Nasir as well, but based on the two tracks that appeared on The Lost Tapes 2, it’s better off that we never hear those songs, I feel. And as for collaborations we’ve actually received throughout the man’s career, Nas has gifted us all with the supergroup The Firm (disappointing, and with far less Dr. Dre involvement than originally promised); Distant Relatives, his album with Damien Marley; and Nasir, a seven-track “album” fully produced by Kanye West that failed to hit every single goddamn mark. (Legend has it that Nasir is what replaced the Swizz Beatz project on the schedule, but I’m not going to thank Kanye fucking West for that – would you?) And now King’s Disease, running alongside Hit-Boy, a man who has some actual hits under his belt (which he’d better, or else his moniker would be more ironic than anything else) but is largely unproven with an artist of Nas’s caliber steering the vehicle.

While Nas may never find that commercial relevance he’s so obviously seeking (while he’s sold many copies of his respective albums, he’s never had the blockbuster success some of his peers have enjoyed), we should be placated by the mere fact that he’s still out here trying, unwilling to rest on his laurels as an artist generally considered by many to be one of the best rappers alive. Collaborators such as Kanye West and Hit-Boy divert him from the path many of us had created for him during our fantasy football drafts, however. I realize that, as of this writing, we haven’t even heard King’s Disease so it makes no sense for me to make such a broad generalization (I have listened to the first single, “Ultra Black”, and was not impressed, if that means anything to you), but I still believe the question is worth asking:

Hey armchair A&R’s, who would you rather Nas collaborate with for a full-length project in the future?

In the past my response would have been Salaam Remi, final answer, no hesitation, but these days I’m more wary, especially after his beats on Black Thought’s Streams of Thought Volume 2 were all roundly disappointing and unmemorable. Today I lean more toward a Black Milk or Quelle Chris type, someone who can twist their respective samples around in a way to draw passion and dominance out of Nasir, who has sounded very bored during his songs for quite a while now. Those two names also lean heavily into his transparent need to not revisit his past, which is why I didn’t just say Extra P or Q-Tip.

Let’s get a discussion going before the inevitable review of King’s Disease (which won’t run next week – I already have something planned – but will come pretty soon). What say you?

-Max

49 comments:

  1. I definitely agree that Nas should work with Black Milk, if considering the intention not to revisit his past. It’s another thing that Black is signed to Nas’ label too, I really would love for them to do work together just off that.

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    1. Milk being on Mass Appeal should have been a no-brainer, but Alchemist is Eminem's DJ and it took forever for them to finally release one song earlier this year, so, like Em, maybe Nas isn't good at seeing what's right in front of him.

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    2. I was wondering when you were ever getting around to that Em album.

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    3. Oh, it's happening.

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  2. I would like if Nas did an ep with the likes of an Alchemist or an Oh No or even something that would never happen, like Madlib. Also, Hit-Boi did the one track ''Ultra Black'' as a single/promo/teaser but it was never mentioned that he would be doing the whole album, where did you get this information?

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    1. Everything I've seen online indicates Hit-Boy is the producer, but it's always possible that he's just EP'ing the project and that I could be pleasantly surprised. Here's hoping for the latter.

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    2. Also, when handed entire albums to run with, both Madlib and Alchemist specialize in project-length fever dreams where everything sounds like one long song transition and the rapper involved spits maybe one-and-a-half verses on each track before the producer gets bored. That's not exactly an environment Nas would thrive in - getting lost in samples isn't his thing, he needs to be the STAR! (*jazz hands*)

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  3. Nas has had a number of good collabs with Rick Ross and sounds good over those lavish beats (when done well, looking at you Nasir), so I think producers like Justice League or Bink! could be good for him.

    He's also good at the jazzy instrumentals as well as more funk sounds (God's Son), so maybe someone like Terrace Martin?

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    1. I'm not sold on Bink! personally, but the "Rick Ross needs to pick the beats for Nas's next album" argument has validity. Terrace Martin is also inspired.

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  4. The TDE production crew, Metro Boomin', the rolodex of producers Billy Woods often collaborates with, Large Pro. Maybe No I.D., he's been one of the few prominent producers from the 90s who's managed to maintain both relevancy and quality in recent times (and he did great work on 4:44). Or maybe he should just stick with Hit-Boy. He actually has a pretty solid track record of beats afaic, and I liked what he cooked up for "Ultra Black" even though it felt like Nas was punching a bit below his weight, so I'm anticipating what they can cook up.

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    1. Extra P and No I.D. would represent Nas looking backwards, though. And I'm not convinced Nas would sound that great over beats Kendrick or ScHoolboy Q could murder with ease.

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  5. Black Milk fell off hard too, tho. What its worth was the only track on Hell below that was fire and Fever was straight up garbage front to back. So my picks would be Daringer and Beat Buthca from Griselda or Muggs.

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    1. If you're going to go Daringer (which isn't a bad idea), we may as well bring up Havoc, who, yeah, represents Nas looking backward, but Hav has provided Nasir with heat in the past. There would be absolutely zero commercial appeal, though, and Nas wants people outside of the hip hop bubble to care, hence every single project he's released since Illmatic.

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  6. Nas needs to fucking retire. At this point there I have zero hope for him to salvage enough verses to make even a halfway decent song. He lost me about ten years ago.

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    1. I'm intrigued to find out whether this new album features actual songs or a bunch of one-verse wonders - that will be a good way to determine whether Nas even gives a shit about the art form anymore. Not that he ever needs to work again, of course - if nothing else,he's good on just his tech investments.

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    2. Considering how he seemed on autopilot during all of Nasir, how much of a mixed bag Life Is Good was, and the massive disappointment of Lost Tapes 2, I don't think I'm gonna bother listening to a single verse. Unless it's Mega's since he is doing much better things these days.

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  7. The thing I'm most looking forward to on this release is Cormega... shame it's a track shared with AZ and Foxy.

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    1. AZ could sound just fine if the production is on point. The wild card here is Foxy, as she sounds wildly different today than she did during The Firm's heyday. Not "bad", necessarily (I liked her on that Nicki Minaj song, sue me), just "wildly different".

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    2. AZ is better than Cormega as a straight rapper by a lot.

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    3. AZ sounded good, in fact I went and checked out what he's done recently only to find it's basically nothing since 2009. At this point I'd welcome an EP from him with Mega.

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  8. Y'all all tripping. Nas has a very sturdy catalog. No ID put in work on Life is Good!

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    1. Life Is Good was a good album. Nobody's disputing that: there are some very solid tracks on there. He released it EIGHT YEARS ago, though, which is an eternity in hip hop, and what he's managed to do since hasn't come close to Life Is Good's quality.

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    2. No argument there. I jam to Ultra Black, though.

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  9. Already leaked... Meh.

    The Firm track is one of the better ones, if you ignore Foxy. I guess Jay isn't writing for her any more.

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  10. Few thoughts. I always liked Nas, I never knew why, he just seemed cool.
    Second, DJ Premier - boom bap? Preemo was much much more. Boom Bap for me is KRS One and RZA, Preemo was much much more.
    Third Thought, you can't have Illmatic 2, just like you can't have enter the 36 chambers II as well. It's a great record, but Nas evolved, and you can't unevolve yourself, just like you can't uncook the soup. It's take it or leave it situation. But like I've said it, I like Nas. And I'm glad that people still like him after all these years. He certainly deserves it, much more than puff diddy, jay-z or other losers. For me, Nas was always underrated. He's the guy who created some remarkable stuff, but never got the acclaim that he deserved. Most of normies will name you some hot ass rappers, but Nas is mostly known by people of taste.

    Random trivia: I finally learned to appreciate Big Daddy Kane. It certainly took me a while. It's funny that I've started with 90s Hip-Hop and nowadays I mostly dig 80s Old School, when I've used to think it was boring

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    1. I honestly believe you're the first person to connect RZA with boom bap. Preemo's certainly done more than just one style of music, absolutely, but he's essentially the godfather of boom bap. And Nas is much more well-known than you think, sales figures aside - he's certainly never been underrated to me. He's been rated properly, is what I'm saying.

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  11. Rap CustomerAugust 21, 2020

    I thought the album was great, but seeing as how you didn't like "Ultra Black," that's already a bad sign so I'm preparing for the inevitable negative review.

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    1. Eh, I just said I wasn't impressed. It may work better within the context of the proper album. That happens often.

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  12. Album was kind of mid for me. Great production from Hit-Boy but Nas seems to be running out of rhymes on a lot of the project along with bad features and reaches for commercial appeal (Lil Durk etc)

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    1. We haven't gotten this far yet, but there WILL be a review for King's Disease, so hopefully you'll expand on your thoughts there.

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  13. Nas has mostly sucked for such a long time now. He has, what, about 4 decent songs since Made U Look?

    I know as a culture we’re quick to label something as bad or good and then never change our minds, but Nas needs to be recognized as a moment in time and nothing more.

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    1. Cormega is that you?

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    2. I agree that a lot of hip hop heads get fixated on a very specific concept (for example, "Nas = GOAT") and it's nearly impossible for them to ever change their minds. That's part of why this site exists, however - I'm here to look at projects and artists generally regarded as classics to see if they've stood up to the test of time, which is why a lot of the stuff I've written about has been older at the time of publication.

      I wouldn't go so far as to call Nas a "moment in time", but I would classify Illmatic as such, since not only is there never going to be another Illmatic, the current culture couldn't support one anyway, and Nas isn't even the same guy now, so even he couldn't recreate it if he tried.

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  14. While the albums have been patchy Nas has steadily kept releasing absolute heaters since Made U Look - just by way of example, Virgo, Thief’s Theme, Where Are They Now, Black Republican, Queens Get The Money, As We Enter, The Don, Nasty, Nas Album Done, Echo, Cops Shot The Kid - just off top. When he tries he’s still up there with the absolute best.

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    1. I like "Black Republican" but I expect you to get a LOT of pushback there - a lot of people on these Interwebs fucking HATE that song. And technically "Echo" and "Nas Album Done" aren't Nas songs (I know, it's not like Khaled actually did anything to the latter, but still).

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    2. Not sure why it’s so disliked – or, by the same token, why “Cops Shot the Kid” is more acclaimed than it deserves. Any ideas why?

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    3. A lot of it is Kanye's involvement, definitely, but, for me, Nas also sounds like he doesn't care about his work, which makes sense when you find that he recorded it within a week just to meet Ye's deadline and wanted to spend more time with the project before release.

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    4. Oh yeah, I actually remember tweeting at the time that Nas only started recording Nasir the Tuesday of. And even with the Kanye factor I am still surprised that people latch on to that song; it may possibly be the worst beat based around a vocal sample.

      Why do people hate “Black Republican,” again?

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    5. I honestly don't know. Jay's involvement, probably? It can;t be the whole "use of the word 'republican'" thing because it didn't drop during the current administration.

      I think a lot of people found the looped Godfather score sample "lazy", but I'm not one of them.

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  15. Sadly...I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Illmatic was an accident, a glorious one at that! The one album that was driven by the right forces excluding the rapper himself?! Maybe, the time was right then when those producers got together and made magic while the rapper had little to no influence on the product. Fast forward to today and a dozen albums later, maybe the reason we never got a God-tier album was because had his hands in it? Just a theory.

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    1. I respect the hot take. It's definitely crossed my mind that the quality of Nas's albums has dipped more and more as he's gained creative control, whereas he would have had zero say in how Illmatic worked because he was a kid, what did he know?

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    2. Rap CustomerAugust 27, 2020

      This is a flaming hot take and I don't agree with it at all. Now, the narrative is that Nas was just some dumb kid who didn't know he was doing and because the producers knew everything, Illmatic was a classic in spite of him? And you don't like his later albums because......he had more control over them and didn't want to make the same album over and over?

      I don't know what the obsession is with Illmatic is at this point. After 26 years, people still can't let it go. Nas wouldn't have a career if he stayed in that lane. He went on to make more great work without needing to go back to that formula. And that's probably why he bothers so many people. If the project isn't absolute perfection that lives up to every standard you created in your head, it's not worth talking about.

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    3. I never said I 100% agree with the take, I said I respect it and the thought has crossed my mind. Obviously the producers on Illmatic wouldn't have been able to do shit with Nas had he not been good with the pen. But I WILL say that none of his follow-up projects have come close to hitting that sweet spot because he stopped surrounding himself with those same people that helped execute Illmatic. And I don't think he should be aiming to record Illmatic 2 every time he goes up to bat, but there's artistic growth, and then there's whatever Nas thinks he's doing.

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  16. I liked the new album. It was kind of a risk but Hit Boy actually gave him some updated production that still fit is rhyming style and subject matters. Blue Benz, Car 85, Ultra Black, 10 Points, Cure, Definition were pretty great. Im sure the middle part with songs about women will divide folks but the Anderson Paak joint is kind of terrific. Hearing the Firm again was great, Im sure there was some expectations of something more uptempo but the smooth style we got still reminded me of that Era. Nas himself was able to balance some nice story telling joints at the front with his perspective at his age in the back part of the album. Even his socio political views thankfully were more in check here than Nasir.

    I understand still wanting the Alchemist, Premier etc to work with him but he did have some success with modern/mainstream producers so hes always gonna try different things even at the detriment of some fans. This time it kind of worked and was a win for Hit Boy.

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  17. Nas’ track record with Swizz Beatz is really bad, but I can’t imagine it could be any worse than Nasir. (This is more a knock on their chemistry than Swizz himself).

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    1. Really bad. Really really bad. At least Kanye can still point to "We Major" and "Still Dreamin'" as Nas songs he produced that are pretty solid - Swizz has "Echo", which he didn't even produce.

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  18. I lost respect for Hit Boy when he broke it off with Lava Girl

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    1. This kind of comment is why I do this, folks.

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  19. Nas is one of the most gifted lyricists of all time. He even knows that. So he strives to break new ground with his sound every album to reach new audiences and grow. I can respect that. I believe he also looked at the careers of his elders and fellow contemporaries and saw that while they were still great in their own right and are legends, they experienced downtrodden derailments as time went on due to remaining stagnant or just not expounding enough with their artistry, choosing to remain the same from day one. I can understand that. However here's my issue. Nas doesn't CONSISTENTLY make GOAT projects. He just doesn't. He'll fuck around and make 3 bad albums before even trying to make another good one. All because of his production. He keeps thinking all we want to hear from him is Illmatic. No. We just want more albums of that quality. You can experiment and add new things. Just make it good. He doesn't do that. I Am, Nastradamus, Street's Disciple, Hip Hop Is Dead, Life Is Good, Nasir and King's Disease all suffer from trash production. Yeah he still spits amazing but no one wants to hear cold lyrics over bland or wonky beats. I damn sure don't
    Get back to the formula that made you Nas. Get back with Large Professor, Rock, Preemo, L.E.S and them and give us an actual all around quality album and stop with trying to appeal all the time. No don't be stuck in a rut but also understand Nas that not every new idea is going to be good. Getting back to basics sometimes opens perspective going forward. That would definitely help you for sure with your next album.

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